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Elliot Progress 2G Drill

Elliot Progress 2G Drill

Hi. I have just aquired an Elliott Progress 2G drill in average condition. I am tyrying to dismanle the gearbox and am a bit stuck, there is a circular plug on the top of the machine  with small grub screw on the periphery to stop rotation and perhaps lock it in place. There is a bigger 5/16 whit grub screw in the center, I assume it is the top bearing housing  for the intermediate shaft as that is directly beneath it,  but how does it come out. Someone in the past has hammered it round using what were probably two blind holes not very deep by the look of them. If it does screw in I can temporarily weld a nut to it  but looking at the locking grub screw on the periphery it doesnt seem to be threaded at least the top 1/4" isnt.  Anybody got a manual or diagram, I know Lathes UK has one but they are a bit expensive. Nice drill by the way bench mounted and well made. There is some info on the web but not about the gearbox.
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I don't knowingly know the 2G, but I have a 4E and an unmarked press with gearbox that could be Elliott. If you don't get any better response try some pictures so I can see if it is similar to either of mine. The 4E is entirely geared, just 4 speeds on two levers, the other has stepped pulleys plus a high/low gearbox, similar, but not identical, to the Meddings.

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Nick. Too cold in the workshop today so thought I'd sort some pictures. Here are two links to my dropbox which shows the offending plug. I have screwed a long bolt down the central hole and once it comes to a stop it appears to lift the plug slightly which I dont think it would do if it was threaded in but why are there two well hammerd holes that have been used to rotate it. You can see I have managed to rotate it about 270 degrees from the lock grubscrew position by hammering it round a bit brutal so I've stopped. As I said if it is threaded I can sort something better than a hammer and punch to rotate it.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/793 … ss2G_2.jpg      https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/793 … ss2G_1.jpg
Im going to see if I can find replacemant bearings and oil seals  today should be easy but you never know with what I assume are imperial bearings.
I have noticed taht someone on the web is offerting a pdf download of the manual for a tenner may well give it a try should have aparts list so will be able to see I'm prepared to risk a tenner.
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Hi Ashley,

Is that a thread in the end of the 'plug'? If so you could try a slide hammer to see if it pulls out; somehow though I doubt that. The use of a grubscrew to lock a shaft usually means threaded, but could it be left hand? If it is then if the thread in the end is right hand tightening a bolt in there could turn the thing out. By the way, I rather doubt it is a plug, looks more like support for a bearing to me.

If you can get a parts diagram for £10 then it will probably be money well spent as may find something else broken inside........

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Nick I have the parts list  (many thanks to Steve Lilliman of Premier Machine Tools) bargain for £10 not much help I'm afraid just says bearing cover part No 161-14
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/793 … ss2G_3.jpg
Will make slide hammer later today if it gets a bit warmer and give ii a few light taps. Bit I have to say I agree with you may be left hand and bolt in center to remove then putting it back in would be a problem.
I will keep the forum updated, if anybody needs a manual happy to send a copy

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Hi Have retreated indoors rotten weather to be in my workshop.  Good news a simple slide hammer solved the problem it was just a press fit bearing cap. A slide hammer also allows removeal of the intermediate shaft.  Now having problems finding the correct bearings id and od are easy but not the thinner bearings that I require.  I'll keep searching for bearings really want 2RS type to  add an extra line of oil seal defence. All my usual internet suppliers (simply  and bearing boys) don't seem to list what I need.  I also have a damaged inner sleeve that needs some modification and repair but it doesn't look that difficult.
One comment is that the head or business end of a Progress2G seems almost identical to the Fobco7/8 , the table is different but the foot is the same as well.
Anybody got a floor mount casting that want to dispose of then I can convert from bench to floor much more useful.
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Hi Ashley, looks an identical fitting to the bearing supports fitted on my Harrison Mill. The 2 half round cut outs on mine line up and take a grub screw to locate it and prevent it moving in/out or in a circular motion

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Thanks Dave. It's all apart now, once weather worms up a bit ill get it all cleaned up and assess the new bearing and oil seal requirement.
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Hi Ashley,
I have a 2G which I rebuilt without the aid of a manual. The plug you identify just pulls out upwards, that's it! The seals are standard Imperial size, I got mine from Bearingboys when then were still in the local (to me) village. There are some quirks and I shall have to think back. About the first and most important thing to do is take off teh side panel of the gearbox (catch the oil!) and remove the lay-shaft and large upper Tufnol gear. If you don't do so, there is every risk that you will damage (wreck) the Tufnol gear when removing the main quill spindle. The gear on mine had a cord of teeth matching the lower quill gear broken out and re-attached with a plate and some self tapping screws !! It was quite lumpy in low gear.....

There are some burried grubscrews that lock the quill gear sleeve and bearing cassette in place and the alloy pulley is only pressed on to the inner drive sleeve. I'm struggling to remember all the details now, but it will probably come back to me if I go and look at some of the shrapnel lying about outside.

If your bearings are really shot I think I may still have a spare inner quill from the various wrecks I mixed and matched to get a whole good machine. You have my email if it's useful.

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Richard Thanks. I have it apart all very straightforward once I had the "plug" removed. No tufnol gear all steel in the one i have, tufnol in a Meddings. The bearings are all imperial  well almost the main quill double row bearing is in the manual as 25mm X 52mm X 13/15" but this one is OK . The Bearing that is most worn is the top of the gaerbox 7/8 X 13/8 X 3/8  and I can probably use a wider bearing as I suspect the 3/8 thick will be difficult to find. The two baering that the main drive pully rotates on are also thin ones specified in the manual as 13/8 X 21/2 x 3/8 in fact they are 7/16 wide so they should be easier to find.  The main problem is the top of the "inner sleeve of the  main drive shaft is broken away where the top bearing sits (the 7/8 X 13/8 X 3/8)  but I think I can modify and repair fairly easy which would seem the best way to go in fact it looks as if  the bearing mount has been inserted in to the shaft anyway. The gearbox oil seals were badly damaged looks as if they had not been inserted parallel but oil leaks have probably kept the quill and table in good condition. The table is the only table I have ever seen without a drill mark on it it's  almost like new which is surprising considering its age.
I do of course have to find the motor star point to use it and that is proving more difficult, to be precise I think I have located it but digging it out of the shellac is going to be difficult, it was fairly easy on a Newman motor this is a Hoover.
All good fun I do enjoy restoring old drill presses this must be my fourth.
Manual covers all the Progress drills 1,2,3 & 5   I can send a copy if anybody wants one.
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I think the larger bearing is a KLNJ 3_8.  Have a look online for Bearing Station they might be able to locate the other one.

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Dave Thanks I have got all the bearings from Simply Bearings delivered next day so ordered Friiday am Postie brought them today. I have had to use the non shielded variety for most of them as adding shields seems to add thickess it was much easier with a Meddings drill  I used all 2RS rubber shielded types and left the gearbox without oil, no chance of leaks on to the work that way.  The Progress drill is a more compact design with all steel gears so probably best with oil in the gearbox my Meddings had tufnol gears.
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